Episode 5

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27th May 2025

A Parasocial Hangout

I'd say it's a weird one but that's a lie, it's pretty normal for us. Victor is moving so Xhafer and Ben just record themselves hanging out. We decided this was better than missing a week.

Ope.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Hello and welcome to last time on

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this is the podcast where normally

we watch some prestige television,

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skip a bunch of episodes, trying to

figure out what happened last time on.

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But Vic is currently packing.

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Ben and I tried to watch a movie.

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We couldn't make it work and we didn't

want to go a week without an episode.

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So it's just gonna be a podcast

of two white guys talking

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about nothing in particular.

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So

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Hey, hey.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: if

you wanna skip this Don White-ish guys.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

When you're in, when you're

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at TSA, you are not white.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

That's fair.

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Uh, so just, we're hanging out.

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We got some bourbon.

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We actually haven't had a chance to

talk outside of recording Pod in weeks.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Yeah.

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So

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Uh.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

last time on colon Parasocial hangs.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: We're

just doing a little pair of social hang.

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Uh, so if this is not what you come

here for, uh, we understand and we do

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not begrudge you and, uh, go listen

to something else on the network.

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Go listen to some who

are you go listen to.

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I think, I dunno if Cool girls is dropping

this week or if they're still on break.

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Um,

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

know they've recorded the first episode.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: yeah,

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

if it's coming out yet,

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

I don't think it is.

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I think it's another week.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

been able to watch the pilot of

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Walker, Texas Ranger, which, whew.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Yeah, I've, I've heard.

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Um, but we're just sitting here,

we're sipping on some bourbons.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Yeah.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Look at this fancy glass.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Oh, that's nice.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Uh, so, uh, I got my birthday present,

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uh, auspiciously early from Beth.

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Um, given we're, we're months away.

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Yeah.

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Um, I had planned on not opening it, but

she told me that it was fragile and it

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came with a giant dent in the side of the

box and we did have to contact customer

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service and get some replacements.

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So glad we didn't wait

till August to open it.

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Um, but she got me a bunch of

really nice, uh, barware, uh,

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drink glasses, all kinds of stuff.

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Um, you'll see 'em next time

you're over, but, uh, yeah.

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So I've, I've got a KY glass

here, uh, with some bardstown

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bottled and bond weeded.

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2018 right now is what I'm sipping on.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

I'm just drinking some

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regular old Forester rye,

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

I mean, hey, no, I'm not gonna yuck,

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yums, oh god, ginger ale sounds good.

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I could really go for some ERs.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

was horribly sick last week,

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah.

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I'm glad you're feeling better.

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What'd you have?

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Do you know?

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

just a stomach flu,

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although we did get lucky.

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Uh, I should have known better

'cause it happened with Henry.

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Henry was sick.

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Good for a day, and then it

like, rebounded with a vengeance.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Mm-hmm.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

And we recorded our last episode

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in my rebounded for a day,

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

and then I immediately got way worse than

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I was prior to, uh, had one of the, had

one of those dark nights of the soul.

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Um,

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

I'm so sorry.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

yeah.

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But hey, better now.

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Uh, and,

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I've got ginger ale in

the house, so that's nice.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Hell yeah.

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That sounds good.

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I should go get some,

I need to go do that.

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And I need to go get some, uh, some Tums.

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I'm out of Tums.

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I might do that after

we're done recording.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

while you're there, maybe

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grab some veggie dogs.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah.

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Oh,

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

just,

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: okay.

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Yeah, no, it makes sense for,

uh, grill outs on Monday.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Yeah, we're doing Memorial Day

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and uh, Beth is vegetarian,

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Mm-hmm.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

my aunt in-law who is like,

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don't buy any hot dogs.

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I'll buy all the hot dogs.

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I'm like, she ain't

bringing any veggie dogs.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

She ain't bringing any veggie dogs.

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That's fine.

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Um, yeah, no, that's a good call.

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Uh, we should do that anyways.

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And even if they don't get

grilled that day, because there

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are veggie dogs, the, you know,

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

you

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

we'll, we'll eat 'em later.

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It's fine.

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Yeah.

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Um, man, it has been like over a

month though, since we've hung out.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Yes.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: It,

it's, it's probably one of the longest

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stretches of the last decade of us going

without seeing each other, uh, in person,

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which is kind of weird to think about.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Yeah.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: But

I guess it's a testament to just like

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how much we see each other and hang out.

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Um, because I was in Malta for

two weeks and then you were in

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a play and then you were sick.

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And so we each had two weeks where we were

not able to hang out for various reasons.

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And

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

That's

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

now we're here.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

But, uh, man, that multi

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Tripp looked awesome.

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Uh, really, like I'm always jealous

when I see pictures of somebody

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else in a castle and I'm just like,

but I want to be in the castle.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

um, I think I texted you this while

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we were there, but of everyone I know

who would've enjoyed that trip, you

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probably would've enjoyed it the most

out of anyone who wasn't on that trip.

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Um, like we, uh, we had a tour guide

who is a, like, he's a civil servant.

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He works for the country and

he's a historian and he just

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does tours for people who sign

up for them that that's his job.

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He.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

my dream job.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

He takes 'em when he wants to, uh,

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he gets to go to all sites for free.

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He gets, I mean, and he gets paid, you

know, uh, so his costs are very low.

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He, the island itself, you can

get from one side to the other

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in two hours tops, um, across the

entire country, very easily by car.

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Um, and they also have a driver

'cause you need a chauffeur's

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license to move people around there.

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So he doesn't have to drive anywhere.

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He just gets picked up and, yeah.

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Uh, he was very, uh, very

informative and a very cool guy

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Neat.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

uh, really made the vacation

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in a lot of ways is.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Yeah.

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I've always said my dream is when, and

this is like, okay, and I are millennials,

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we're never going to be able to retire.

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But if we could, my dream is to, uh, just

be a, uh, living reenactor up at one of

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our, uh, uh, forts up in Michigan and

just like I spend all summer pretending to

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be a French fur trapper and like that is

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Yeah, I, uh, I would love

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to do some of that stuff.

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There was a minute there, um,

where before I moved into it, the

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job that I was really trying to go

after was with Quicken actually.

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And, uh, they have a,

like city ambassador job

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Yes.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: where

your goal is to help relocate people to

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the city and also show them around and

show them Detroit things and you like help

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take them house shopping and stuff, but

also you're like exploring neighborhoods

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and showing them cool places around.

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And that would've been a fucking dream

gig for me just to like, welcome people

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to Detroit, um, and show them around.

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And I, I felt kinda uniquely qualified

for it because I had spent so

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much time traveling other places.

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That I could be all like, oh,

you're from this area, you

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know, oh, you have this there.

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Okay, you'll, this is an analog

that's similar kind of a thing.

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Uh, but it didn't work out.

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But I mean, all things considered,

uh, I don't imagine that job still

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exists and, and it very much is

booming and it let me get into,

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

you

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

yeah, it let me get into AI and stuff and

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I've done a lot of, I've done a lot in my

career and I've actually done some good,

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so I ain't gonna complain about any of it.

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Uh,

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

not a, a grammatical error.

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He's actually done good things.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: yeah,

I've actually, I, I know I get on this, on

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the Discord sometimes I get very defensive

about, uh, AI in general, uh, because

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Mo almost a, any AI that any person

interacts with as an end user is evil.

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Just, just gonna get that out there and

it's very frustrating to, uh, understand.

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The actual like computing science

behind it and the math behind it.

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And then to see things like what hit

the news yesterday where there is a

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Claude model and there's all these,

uh, there's all these news articles

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about how it threatened to blackmail

its creators rather than get taken

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down and you read it and you're

like, oh God, AI is intelligent.

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It's happened, the singularity.

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And it's like, no.

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What they did is they took one of

their models, they were curious what

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it would do if it was threatened to

be taken down, and then it asked what

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its options were and they gave it

a bunch, including blackmailing the

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engineers as an option, and then they

fed it blackmail for those engineers.

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And then when they threatened to

take it down and nothing else worked,

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they were surprised it went to the

last resort option that it had told

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it was the last resort with the

evidence it had fabricated for it.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Yeah.

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Hey,

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Well.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

we, we wrote a scenario that

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ends like this and we're

surprised that it took the out.

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Uh,

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah.

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Calculator ads.

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When you hit the edition button

like a fucking corset did.

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That's what you programmed it to do.

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Why are we talking about this?

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This is dumb.

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This is bait, click bullshit.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

absolutely.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Uh, so it's frustrating to

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see that stuff, but yeah.

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Uh, there are, there are machine learning

programs and models that are doing

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actual good things in the world and you

just don't know about them, I promise.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

So I, I Jair is dancing around it.

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He wrote something that like,

we detect when food is going

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bad, so food doesn't go bad,

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

don't like, so like if bad food,

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like before food gets go, go, you

know, goes bad, we can give it

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

and like, Hey, that's

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vegetables to people.

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That's

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

A hundred percent.

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Yeah.

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It, uh, it hypothetically is responsible

for feeding several million people a

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year in food banks, so that's great.

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Um, actual good.

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It exists, I promise.

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Um, yeah,

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I dunno.

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It feels braggadocious to talk about it.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

I know.

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That's why I did it for you.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

I appreciate that.

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I guess.

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Um, it's the one place we'll talk

about it and then I will awkwardly

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dance around it any other time anyone

asks, except in job interviews where

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I will talk about it for forever.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

for sure.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

I don't even think it's

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on my LinkedIn profile.

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It might be.

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I don't remember.

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Um, anyways,

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they do puzzles now.

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They've got games on LinkedIn.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Oh.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

And, uh, they're, I like 'em.

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They, there's just one a day.

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So you like do your one adays and

you've done, it's like Wordle, you

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only get the one chance every day.

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Um, but they rank your school's

averages and they rank your business'

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averages against your industry,

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Hmm.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: which

allows me to be very, very competitive

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with our, uh, college rival, uh,

Western, uh, you know, buck the Francos,

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Secretary Cruz, you seem like a

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very, very nice man, but screw you.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: yeah.

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And, and yeah.

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And Colt Cabana.

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I'll call you out on a podcast, whatever.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

I would like to meet you and

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then do some mac smack talk

that you'd be better at than me

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

For sure.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

wrestler.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Much better.

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At the smack talk.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

He'd just be like, Hey, we've never

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interacted before, but I've already picked

out three things you're insecure about.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Mm-hmm.

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Four.

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Sure.

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But yeah, so that's been fun.

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That's how I, I, I play

every morning habitually.

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Now.

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It's part of my, like, wake up routine.

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So I've been enjoying

those games on LinkedIn.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Maybe I'll try that out.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Um, there's a couple that are like

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word games and there's a couple

that are like logic puzzles.

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And I really prefer, I think,

surprising no one, the logic puzzles.

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Uh, anyone who spent 20 minutes with

me could probably tell that about me.

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I, I would think

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Do you have the wood

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puzzles on your new desk?

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

I do not have nearly the

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amount of the wood puzzles.

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I don't have as much real estate

on my desk currently in the office.

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Um, to be honest, I haven't

had the real estate in a while.

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Um, so Ben is referring to, I used to

have a collection of about, I still have

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the collection of about 30 different wood

puzzles ranging from, uh, I have given

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these to Ben's son at the age of five to

try to, ones that I struggle to solve.

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And, uh, I used to have a

desk, uh, by a window and I

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had this huge window sill area.

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I probably had like eight feet of

window sill, uh, next to my desk.

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And that was where all of these

wood puzzles were lined up in.

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Like, pick one up, do it, come and

pick the next one in office coworkers

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would come and grab 'em and play 'em.

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They're in a box in my basement.

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I think I've got like four

or five on my desk right now.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Mm-hmm.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Uh, but I've mostly pivoted

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to Rubik's cubes on my desk.

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That's the thing I do in meetings now when

I'm bored, is I will sit there and solve

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a Rubik's cube 20 times during a meeting.

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Um, yeah,

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and I have, I have a number

of Rubik cubes at this point.

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I think I've got like

maybe nine or 10 of, of,

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

I know

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

I got some WF weird ones.

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Oh, very much so.

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Um, I solve, uh, I am

not good at Rubik's Cube.

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I solve them the exact

same way every single time.

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There's a like 12 step algorithm where

you, like, once you get to complete

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step one, you go to step two, and so on.

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And there's ways to do each step,

and I've just been like working on

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committing all of those to muscle memory.

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And occasionally I will notice

something and do something a little

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bit quicker in a clever manner.

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Uh, but I'm not good at Rubik's Cube.

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I, and I say that as someone who

could solve a Rubik's cube in under a

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minute and a half as like an average.

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I, I've done under a minute.

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A couple of times, and it's

just like, I'm not good at it.

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Like I'm not actually figuring out the

puzzle and looking at it and doing the

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relationships between all the movements.

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Most of the time it's a fidget cube.

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Exactly.

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Um, I've just learned the,

uh, the algorithm well enough

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where I can just solve one.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Yeah.

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That was the thing where, when I

realized that they weren't a puzzle,

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most of the time it was a, you run

the algorithm until it's solved.

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Uh.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Mm-hmm.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

I had a friend in college who, her and her

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boyfriend got really into Rubik's Cubes.

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:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah.

346

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

were at the like, solve

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them sub 20 seconds,

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Oh yeah.

349

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That's actual, actual very fast.

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Yeah.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

they were also just like, alright,

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so you memorize all the, the, uh, the

algorithm, like the, the methodology

353

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and then you have to take your Rubik's

cube apart and like put a lubricant

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inside of it so it spins, right?

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And it was like

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Yeah, I've done that a couple of times.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

just feels like so much work for

358

:

not actually solving the puzzle.

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this isn't a crossword

where it takes any like,

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah,

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

uh, you know, real effort where

362

:

it's like, what is that word and

what does, does it fit in here?

363

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It's just like, can I mechanically

make this thing work fast

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enough to win the competition?

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Uh,

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

I mean, I would say that there's

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more to it than that at that, at that

level there's some complex solving.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

are

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when you are getting into that, like

it is a different skillset, but it,

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to me, more felt like you guys are

practicing, like free throws for a,

371

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you know, uh, uh, a horse competition

than it is, you know, doing a puzzle.

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Uh, if

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

There is a,

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

sense.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

there is a very pregnant deer standing

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outside my office window right now.

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There's like five dos surrounding her.

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I might be witnessing the

miracle of life on POD today.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Oh man,

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

This, this, this might happen.

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I don't, we'll see.

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:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

is

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

They're kind of out in the open.

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It's a weird place to, I don't know.

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I don't think it's gonna

ha No, she's moving around.

386

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No, I don't think it's about to happen.

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benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Last year glow and I had a fawn in

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our bushes and that poor thing, I was

mowing the lawn and it was just like

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mom said, I can't leave, but this

is loud and I don't know what to do.

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And I'm like, I'm sorry dear.

391

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But we are having people over and

I can't just have like a weird

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strip of, uh, note of tall grass.

393

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So I'm just gonna get past

you as fast as I can buddy.

394

:

Okay?

395

:

I'm

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Mm-hmm.

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:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

hurt you,

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:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Mm-hmm.

399

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

but it doesn't speak English.

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:

It was not stated by my words.

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xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Yeah, that's, that's how deer go.

402

:

Most of these, these deer in my

neighborhood are fucking fearless.

403

:

Dude.

404

:

I have had them walk within feet

of me in my backyard before I,

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:

uh, they just built different,

406

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Yeah, dear range between like I am

407

:

afraid of my own shadow and like

you couldn't pay me to give a fuck.

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:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

yeah, for sure.

409

:

Sorry, we were talking

about something else before.

410

:

I saw that very pregnant deer, uh,

start to heal over and I thought was

411

:

about to give birth, which honestly

seemed like something worth bringing up.

412

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

no.

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:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Um,

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:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

If,

415

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

uh, I have some stuff for us to do

416

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

oh, okay.

417

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

on pod.

418

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

stuff to talk about as well, but you go

419

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Oh, what do you wanna talk about?

420

:

I, I've just, I have quizzes for

four of the shows we've watched about

421

:

what character you are, um, because

that seemed like a fun thing to do.

422

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

That does seem like a fun thing to do.

423

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: So

what I'm gonna do here is I'm gonna pop

424

:

over to our Discord and I'm gonna throw

the link in the last time on open channel

425

:

so that way anyone who's uh, listening in

or listens in later can scroll up and see

426

:

the exact timestamp of when we recorded

this you fucking creeper, but also see

427

:

the quiz and participate if they want.

428

:

At home.

429

:

So I'm gonna put a witch

breaking bad character.

430

:

Are you to start us off?

431

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Oh fun.

432

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

It was the first show we did.

433

:

Um, I look forward to Vic taking

these and sending us his results

434

:

after he's done moving this weekend.

435

:

Um, alright, did you pull it up?

436

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

please be packing.

437

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Please be packing right now.

438

:

I believe in you.

439

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

was disgusting.

440

:

Um, but I

441

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Well, this,

442

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

you're moving.

443

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: this

airs after his mandatory move out date.

444

:

So if you're listening to this and you're

not done, please be fucking packing.

445

:

Alright.

446

:

Uh, I got the quiz open.

447

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Gimme one second.

448

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

All right.

449

:

I'm gonna read the questions and we

can talk about our answers if we want.

450

:

Uh, while you pull it up, which

Simpson's character do you relate

451

:

the most to is question one.

452

:

We got Helen Lovejoy, Mr.

453

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Burns bubble Bee Man, Otto Millhouse

Bart, Lionel Hutz, and Grandpa Simpson.

454

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

All

455

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

I have been old man yelling

456

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at cloud recently, so I

457

:

I'm feeling that that Grandpa Simpson.

458

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

There's no images with this.

459

:

It's just the names.

460

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

It's just the names.

461

:

Yeah.

462

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

I was just like, this

463

:

isn't loading on my phone.

464

:

Let me load it up on a different tab.

465

:

And it's like, okay.

466

:

Um.

467

:

Man.

468

:

Okay, so I'm answering

for me not as the podcast.

469

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah.

470

:

Uh, yeah.

471

:

Uh, yeah, I mean, we, we, we do, uh,

portray kind of exaggerated versions

472

:

of ourselves on pot occasionally.

473

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

last time on who

474

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Oh.

475

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

on, because

476

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Oh.

477

:

That's more fun actually.

478

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

I, I don't know that I'm

479

:

gonna be able to answer that.

480

:

Uh

481

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

That's fair.

482

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

uh, I know the answer to this.

483

:

I am millhouse.

484

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah.

485

:

I'm gonna, I'm gonna go

with Grandpa Simpson.

486

:

Uh, someone has threatened you.

487

:

How do you react?

488

:

Change your identity calmly.

489

:

Plot your revenge.

490

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Lay low, punch away your troubles.

491

:

Run them over.

492

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Get high.

493

:

Blow them up, blow them up.

494

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Drown yourself in the

pool or eat breakfast.

495

:

Um, am I'm a pretty calm guy, so I

feel like I would either calmly plot

496

:

my revenge or eat breakfast depending

on how severe that threat was.

497

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Yeah, that like that depends.

498

:

Like there are different levels

of like, Hey man, screw you.

499

:

I'll kick your butt.

500

:

Like,

501

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah,

502

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

okay, I'm not doing anything there.

503

:

But it's like, Hey I'm going to

murder you and murder your family.

504

:

It's like, alright, I'm taking

that a little bit more seriously.

505

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: yeah.

506

:

There's some details at me.

507

:

I'm gonna be taking you, or I'm gonna,

I'm gonna say eat breakfast though.

508

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

I'm gonna assume like this

509

:

person's coming in hot.

510

:

Like, Hey Ben, I'm

gonna destroy your life.

511

:

And I'm like, I'm gonna punch you in the

face, so I'm gonna punch away my troubles.

512

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

All right.

513

:

Uh, pick a movie, Scarface, Ted for whom?

514

:

The bell Tolls.

515

:

Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.

516

:

Robocop the Fast and the Furious.

517

:

Star Trek.

518

:

Catch me if you can.

519

:

And dirty, hairy.

520

:

I gotta go with Star Trek.

521

:

It doesn't matter.

522

:

On this list, it's Star Trek.

523

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

No, it does.

524

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Okay.

525

:

Okay.

526

:

You know, there's a couple I'd

take Robocop over or, uh, the

527

:

Fast and the Furious for sure.

528

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Uh, it also matters

529

:

which Fast and Furious.

530

:

Uh,

531

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Also true.

532

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Some of them are good.

533

:

Some of them are terrible.

534

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah.

535

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

yeah, I, once I, I've told Jair about

536

:

this, uh, glow and I are working

our way through all of Star Trek.

537

:

Just started discovery,

538

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Oh yeah.

539

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

we just finished

540

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yum.

541

:

Yum.

542

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Uh, yum.

543

:

Yum.

544

:

Uh, and the only thing we have

missed out of nineties Trek, sixties

545

:

trek movies and everything is

we did not watch Star Trek five.

546

:

Yeah, because Paramount Plus would

not load the goddamn movie, and I

547

:

spent 20 minutes trying to get it

to start Star Trek five, and then

548

:

again another day, spent about 10.

549

:

I'm like, I am not wasting another minute

of my life to try and watch a movie.

550

:

I don't actually like,

551

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

What does God need with the Starship?

552

:

You know, I, I recently rewatched

Star Trek five, I want to say

553

:

within the last six months.

554

:

Not as bad as I remembered it

being by no means good, but

555

:

not as bad as I remembered it.

556

:

I think.

557

:

I think if, uh, I've kind of enshrined

it as shittiest movie, I've made

558

:

it all the way through in my head

559

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

not that,

560

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

and it's not that.

561

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

There is some good, like,

562

:

there's some funny stuff that

also doesn't make any sense.

563

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Mm-hmm.

564

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Scotty not knowing his way

565

:

around the enterprise is

566

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah.

567

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

but completely out of

568

:

character for Scotty.

569

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah.

570

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Uh, the size of the enterprise

571

:

does not make any sense.

572

:

Uh, like it is both huge and

tiny at the same time, like using

573

:

rocket boots to get around it.

574

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah.

575

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

but I think the overall problem is

576

:

it was written by so far up his own

butt, gene Roddenberry, where he's

577

:

like, I have killed God, haven't I?

578

:

I am our secular messiah and everyone

will follow me into my new utopia.

579

:

And it's like,

580

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Gene,

581

:

please stop.

582

:

Gene.

583

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Uh.

584

:

That is, that is, hey, you've spent

the last 20 minutes or 20 years going

585

:

to, uh, sci-fi conventions where

everybody tells you what a genius

586

:

you are huffing your own farts.

587

:

Gene Roddenberry.

588

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

I mean, the fact that Shaq

589

:

directed that one does not help.

590

:

Yeah.

591

:

Uh, I will say there are some really

good, in particular McCoy Spock

592

:

moments in that, in that movie.

593

:

I, I'd say that's probably the highlight

of it is, is those interactions.

594

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

I like them camping.

595

:

That's fun.

596

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Yeah, for sure.

597

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

just have them camping.

598

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Just 90 minutes of them camping.

599

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Oh man.

600

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Ship it.

601

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

at one of our local comic bookstores,

602

:

they have a Star Trek magazine

signed by, uh, both Walter Koenig

603

:

and George Decay and somebody else,

604

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Hmm.

605

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

it's, Hey, it's signed by Walter

606

:

and George, $3,000 and I'm like.

607

:

They signed a lot of shit.

608

:

My dudes, they're still alive.

609

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Well one of them is uh, or Oh, well,

610

:

oh no, Walter and George you said.

611

:

Oh, okay.

612

:

Yeah, yeah.

613

:

They're both still with us thing.

614

:

Uh, honestly, there's a ton of full

cast photos signed by all of them

615

:

that are just all over the Star Trek

conventions for significantly less.

616

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

yeah.

617

:

But I digress.

618

:

Uh, that was just my chance

to talk about Star Trek 'cause

619

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah.

620

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Star Trek.

621

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

I do love Star Trek.

622

:

So did you pick a movie?

623

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

yeah.

624

:

And it's just because I just got done

rewatching the TV show Fast Lane,

625

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Okay.

626

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

which is we've got Fast

627

:

and Furious at home.

628

:

Um, I'm gonna go with

the Fast and the Furious.

629

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Alright.

630

:

On a scale of one to

nine, how evil are you?

631

:

I don't like any of these answers.

632

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

All right.

633

:

How about we answer for each other?

634

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Uh, I don't like that either.

635

:

Ben.

636

:

I don't know.

637

:

There was that time you trapped

my LRP character inside a

638

:

dagger for a thousand years.

639

:

I'm gonna put you at a three.

640

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

You did murder a bunch of people.

641

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Did I,

642

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Yeah.

643

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

I, no, I un a bunch of people.

644

:

You were mad at me because I

was trying to resurrect people.

645

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Dead

646

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

what, that's what you, that's

647

:

what you put me in jail for was

trying to resurrect my dead son.

648

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

'cause you also had the, I don't put your

649

:

character in prison and you become a,

uh, a crazy dictatorial, warlord bad guy.

650

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

We, we didn't do that arc.

651

:

We, we, we almost did that

arc, but we did do that arc

652

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

because

653

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

I was replaced by three

654

:

raccoons in a trench coat.

655

:

Um.

656

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

just so everybody knows, one of the things

657

:

that uh, is I think the most fun about

and i's friendship is we met doing larp

658

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Mm-hmm.

659

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

our characters were part

660

:

of a group of good guys.

661

:

we noticed in this LRP game, everybody

wanted to play the edgy bad guy.

662

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

So many fucking edgy, bad guys.

663

:

We killed Ben.

664

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

guys or I'm morally gray and I'll do

665

:

whatever it takes to achieve my goals.

666

:

It's like there are no good

guys in this entire story.

667

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

There was one unit of other unit in

668

:

the group besides us that was good.

669

:

All good guys.

670

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

people in that group.

671

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

And they were, and they

672

:

were all like epic heroes.

673

:

And so we were just like, we're good guys.

674

:

We're just soldiers.

675

:

We're just hanging out.

676

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

just normal good guys.

677

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

We're just normal.

678

:

Good guys.

679

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Because, you know, sometimes

680

:

a story needs good guys.

681

:

Um,

682

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Just need an army.

683

:

So we're the army.

684

:

What's up?

685

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Uh, yeah.

686

:

I'm okay with, with being three.

687

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Okay.

688

:

What?

689

:

What are you gonna put me as?

690

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Um,

691

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Wait, let me take a sip of my bourbon

692

:

so I can spit it out in response.

693

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

no, that's good.

694

:

Bourbon man.

695

:

I'm not gonna,

696

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Okay.

697

:

Okay.

698

:

Okay.

699

:

You're right.

700

:

It is good.

701

:

Bourbon.

702

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

um, I'll put you at a four

703

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Okay, eh?

704

:

Alright.

705

:

Pick a song.

706

:

Knocking on Heaven's door.

707

:

Free bird.

708

:

Breaking the law.

709

:

The Macarena breakfast at

Tiffany's ring my bell.

710

:

Bitches ain't shit.

711

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

that

712

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Don't speak.

713

:

And the drugs don't work.

714

:

I mean,

715

:

yeah, I mean, Dr.

716

:

Dr.

717

:

It's probably my least favorite Dr.

718

:

Dre song to be perfectly honest.

719

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Most least favorite famous Dr.

720

:

Dre song.

721

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

No, no least favorite.

722

:

Like I, I'll, I, it is not a Dr.

723

:

Dre song that I listen to.

724

:

Bitches Ain't Shit Like I, because when

I, when I throw on like old school rap,

725

:

I will listen to some, some Dre usually

in there and that is not a DRE song I

726

:

go to, although mostly I go to Cube.

727

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

listening to Ben Folds and now I am so

728

:

mad at myself for never picking that in

draft the universe when we did our covers.

729

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

That would've been a good one.

730

:

Yeah, Ben Folds Bitches Ain't Shit.

731

:

That would've been a good one.

732

:

Alright.

733

:

Um,

734

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

And while you're picking man, every

735

:

so often, I will admit I do have a mo.

736

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: yeah.

737

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

come across a moment where I'm like.

738

:

Oh man, that, that would

be a good topic to do.

739

:

A draft, the universe draft.

740

:

like I miss that, that show,

miss that game sometimes.

741

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

It was a very fun conceit for

742

:

a podcast, and I do miss it.

743

:

I miss, I miss the regular hang, uh, which

we've adopted into this and this game

744

:

that we play now instead, uh, of LTO.

745

:

Uh, but draft the

universe is a lot of fun.

746

:

Uh, listeners, if you don't know

what we're talking about, uh, before,

747

:

last time on before, who are you?

748

:

Ben and I, along with another very

close friend of ours, Chris, hosted 120

749

:

maybe episode podcast called Draft the

Universe, where we would pick a topic,

750

:

pick our favorites, and then debate them.

751

:

So every, every topic was two episodes

and we would do a draft episode where

752

:

we would all pick our top five and

then we'd get a bunch of prompts

753

:

and we'd do debates and stuff.

754

:

And whoever wasn't debating

would be the judge.

755

:

He'd score points.

756

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

And I'd

757

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Uh,

758

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

too much effort to do the research.

759

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

and Chris had always put in none.

760

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Yeah,

761

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: It.

762

:

I was right in the

middle most of the time.

763

:

It was a lot of fun.

764

:

It was a fun little improv game.

765

:

Uh, the, all of the like

debates were always absurd.

766

:

It was like, uh, you know what,

how, what do you do for your topics

767

:

first date or your picks first date?

768

:

Or something?

769

:

Like, it was always just crazy stuff.

770

:

Um

771

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

matter, like who

772

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Oh yeah.

773

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

list because then you get the

774

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: yeah.

775

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

and you know that, that was fun.

776

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Mm-hmm.

777

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

but, uh, if, if, if you are

778

:

attempted to go back, I'm gonna

recommend two episodes for you.

779

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah.

780

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

our beers draft,

781

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Beer draft

782

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

the three of us just get the

783

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

wasted.

784

:

Oh my God, I was so drunk.

785

:

I'm so glad I was able to

walk home from the recording.

786

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

episodes because we got so drunk.

787

:

And two, I'm gonna recommend

the James Bond draft

788

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Early, early, early GTU.

789

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

because one, I watched every single

790

:

James Bond movie in preparation for it.

791

:

Uh, and two, I made, uh,

dirty Martinis for everyone.

792

:

Uh, and then Jair and Chris were

like, Hey, we don't like these.

793

:

And so I drank three dirty martinis.

794

:

There might

795

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: I,

796

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

line here.

797

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

I actually, I, before we sat down to

798

:

record, I poured myself a bourbon, but

I, uh, whipped up Beth a dirty martini,

799

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

No.

800

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

uh, as a finished her homework reward.

801

:

Um, and it's noteworthy because

I'm using a Spanish gin that's

802

:

actually distilled from olives.

803

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Interesting.

804

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

it's very good martini.

805

:

Anyways, uh, two of these songs

are currently on my playlist.

806

:

I'm gonna go with knocking on

Heaven's Door because that's a song

807

:

that I listened to earlier today.

808

:

Uh, the other song that's currently on

a playlist is Don't Speak By No Doubt.

809

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

No doubt.

810

:

Um, I'm gonna go with knocking

on Heaven's story as well.

811

:

I love

812

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Hmm.

813

:

That's a great song.

814

:

I got the day off work.

815

:

What are you gonna do?

816

:

Next question.

817

:

Polish your rock collection.

818

:

Have a glass or four of wine.

819

:

Watch some classic sci-fi.

820

:

Read some poetry.

821

:

Read some poetry.

822

:

Have a massage.

823

:

Do something for charity.

824

:

Throw a dinner party, ringing

your bell or eat breakfast.

825

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

well.

826

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Um, I'm,

827

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Well, actually I don't eat breakfast.

828

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

I've got to watch, I have to watch two

829

:

television shows a week for podcast

right now, and that's four hours of my,

830

:

of my not working time every week to

do two episodes of notes for podcast.

831

:

It takes about two hours in up,

832

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Glow is able to her episodes without

833

:

pausing them she does her notes,

I don't know how she does it.

834

:

And it makes me so mad.

835

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

I mean, how much, how

836

:

much notes does she have?

837

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

I don't know, but like,

838

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Does she, does she, does she just do joke

839

:

notes or does she have narrative notes?

840

:

Because, because we take nar I like, I

know we've done, we take narrative notes.

841

:

So like if, if you're not doing narrative

notes, if I, I've done guest spots

842

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Mm-hmm.

843

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

where I've done that because I'm not

844

:

taking narrative notes because I know

that I'm not gonna have to do any of that

845

:

and I can get through an episode with

notes in one sitting without pausing.

846

:

Maybe once or twice if I'm gonna going

on a note, leftist tangent or something.

847

:

But for the most part, so I'm gonna say

watch some classic sci-fi because that's

848

:

what I end up doing with a fair amount

of my non-working, non sleeping time.

849

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

I am.

850

:

I'm watching some classic sci-fi too.

851

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Alright, pick an animal.

852

:

Rat grumpy cat.

853

:

Blowfish, draft badger,

bear, lion, snake, puppy.

854

:

I'm a badger.

855

:

Maybe I'm bear.

856

:

I'm a bear.

857

:

I want a bear cub.

858

:

So bad.

859

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

in a trench coach affair.

860

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

That's fair.

861

:

All right, well, I got my

answer after I clicked that last

862

:

one, and I am in fact Badger.

863

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

I, I'm going bare

864

:

and I got Hank.

865

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Okay.

866

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

That

867

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Yeah, I, yeah.

868

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

If I can't, if I can't be Mabo

869

:

Gomez, who I doubt was an option.

870

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Uh, maybe you had to pick all of the

871

:

blatantly Mexican stuff for that.

872

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Uh.

873

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah.

874

:

I, I don't know how good this quiz is.

875

:

Uh,

876

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

So before we go onto another,

877

:

another quiz or anything, I've

878

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: yeah.

879

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

what my plan was, we'll

880

:

just take some turns.

881

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Okay.

882

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Thinking back about the

883

:

shows we've watched,

884

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Mm-hmm.

885

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

what one is your favorite?

886

:

If I said, Hey, Jair, we're watching

an episode of one right now, which

887

:

one would you be the most stoked?

888

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Okay, so we've watched in order

889

:

Breaking Bad Into the Badlands,

Stargate, SG one, Viper.

890

:

Shameless.

891

:

Oh, shameless.

892

:

Then Viper, Briscoe, the Expanse.

893

:

That's where Viper is.

894

:

And then Billions right now.

895

:

Uh, man, we've watched

a lot of Prestige TV

896

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

have,

897

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

in a, in a short amount of time.

898

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

it's almost like it's working.

899

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

It is almost like the patent pen, the

900

:

patent pending formula is working.

901

:

Um, there's a couple episodes

of Breaking Bad that I would

902

:

want to go back and watch.

903

:

That I haven't made time for, but to be

honest, I'd probably wanna start it over.

904

:

I feel like now that we've

had, like, are we a hundred

905

:

episodes and we're, we're close.

906

:

It's been almost two years

since we watched Breaking Bad

907

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Yeah.

908

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

or take.

909

:

Um, actually once you throw in the,

the break weeks, uh, then yeah, it's

910

:

been, um, I would say probably I'd

wanna rewatch all of Breaking Bad

911

:

rather than watch a single episode.

912

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Oh, oh, snap.

913

:

Uh.

914

:

Our first episode of Breaking Bad

came out, uh, June 10th, so we are

915

:

almost at our two year anniversary,

916

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

oh wow.

917

:

That's good catch Ben.

918

:

Yeah.

919

:

The next episode we record,

um, we'll drop on June 10th.

920

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Yeah, so two years ago we

921

:

were in the midst of recording

our Breaking Bad Backlog.

922

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah.

923

:

Okay.

924

:

Well, that's cool.

925

:

Um, yeah, so, uh, but as far as like

just a random one, I'd probably be down

926

:

to watch random episode of The Expanse.

927

:

I think that's a good show.

928

:

I don't think I, I, I don't feel like

I got enough of it, but I also am not

929

:

like super gung-ho about going and

watching it all in order right now.

930

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Mm-hmm.

931

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

So I'd say The Expanse,

932

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

That is one thing I do

933

:

find in my free time.

934

:

do just watch tv.

935

:

Um,

936

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: yeah.

937

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

because like not only am I, when I watch

938

:

Prestige TV now, I am watching it and

writing about it, uh, just for myself.

939

:

Uh,

940

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Oh, just memoirs?

941

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

well, no, just like writing

942

:

my writing notes and stuff.

943

:

Uh,

944

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah.

945

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

but it's like, okay, that is

946

:

like why I re-watched Fastlane,

947

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Okay.

948

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

I wanna watch, you know,:

949

:

two thousands, like it's made by Mick

G and so it's, it's just like, this

950

:

is a, this is a, uh, um, early ts rap

music video wrapped in a cop show.

951

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah.

952

:

Um, we just watched and, or season two.

953

:

Holy shit.

954

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

I that is next.

955

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

It is so good.

956

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

I just managed to finish, finally

957

:

finish, uh, Daredevil Born again.

958

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Oh, see, I'm on like episode

959

:

two or three of that.

960

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

I, I mean, I love Daredevil.

961

:

Like I've got Daredevil comics,

like Daredevil is my, my Jam.

962

:

I am glad with what happened with

that show because, uh, I don't know

963

:

if you know any context around it.

964

:

They like had it shot and everybody

was like, I hate this, this sucks.

965

:

Um, or had it written, shot a bunch

of it, and then were like, taking

966

:

this back to formula and redoing it.

967

:

Adding all of the legacy

characters back in, uh, Stop.

968

:

Like not pretending like the

Netflix show barely happened.

969

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Okay.

970

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

'cause like, if I understand

971

:

correctly, like, uh, Fisk was

barely, was like not in the show.

972

:

Uh, the, the first event of the

show didn't happen because none

973

:

of the other members of the

original law firm were there.

974

:

and like it didn't resemble the show

so much that when they were like,

975

:

oh Ed, of course we'll have John

Bethal in because he's still a thing.

976

:

And John Bethal was like, I will

not be in this pile of shit.

977

:

Uh, and so they rewrote it made it like,

'cause first, like every so often John

978

:

Bethal will say something kind of weird,

uh, where he is like, I appreciate all

979

:

the Marines who wear Punisher shit.

980

:

I'm like,

981

:

um.

982

:

Uh, but he does seem to like,

really enjoy taking ownership and

983

:

stewardship of that character.

984

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah.

985

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

that when he was like,

986

:

Hey, I sign off on this.

987

:

I'm like, alright, you did not

need to be here for a paycheck.

988

:

Uh,

989

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Yeah.

990

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

about Punisher.

991

:

Um,

992

:

I I, I, I loved this season

993

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

Uh, it's on my two watch for sure.

994

:

Um,

995

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

So I'm about to, I think I'm

996

:

gonna start and, or next.

997

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619:

have you, have you watched season one?

998

:

benjamin-david-curley--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195623:

Yes.

999

:

xhafer--he-him-_1_05-24-2025_195619: Okay.

:

00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:54,470

Um, season two is not the

slow burn that season one was.

:

00:42:55,460 --> 00:42:59,900

Uh, it is meant to be kind of

watched in three episode chunks.

:

00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:05,330

It was released in three episode chunks,

and the narrative is centric around that.

:

00:43:06,140 --> 00:43:10,130

Um, without, without saying

anything, but it's kind of like

:

00:43:10,130 --> 00:43:15,290

three little, three episode stories,

or four three episode stories.

:

00:43:15,620 --> 00:43:21,470

Uh, but episodes seven through

11 right now is the highest rated

:

00:43:21,470 --> 00:43:28,880

stretch of any episodes on IMDB, like

highest rated, consecutive episode

:

00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,400

stretch in TV history right now.

:

00:43:32,660 --> 00:43:36,290

Uh, and yeah, uh, that's,

that's a fair statement.

:

00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,820

It's fantastic.

:

00:43:39,511 --> 00:43:42,121

-:

The one thing that does, uh, the one

:

00:43:42,121 --> 00:43:47,941

thing that worries me and the thing that

makes me mad is a lot of the discourse

:

00:43:47,941 --> 00:43:53,491

around it has also, because of course

the character ends back up in Rogue One

:

00:43:53,805 --> 00:43:54,225

-:

Mm-hmm.

:

00:43:54,451 --> 00:43:54,901

-:

and.

:

00:43:55,621 --> 00:44:00,151

The, the thing that makes me so mad

is everybody being like, and of course

:

00:44:00,781 --> 00:44:04,381

it's spoilers for a 10-year-old movie,

everyone had to Die because otherwise

:

00:44:04,381 --> 00:44:06,121

they would've been in Star Wars.

:

00:44:06,121 --> 00:44:12,601

And it's like, no, the rebellion,

even as small as it is, is big.

:

00:44:13,425 --> 00:44:13,625

-:

:

00:44:13,801 --> 00:44:14,131

-:

All you

:

00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:14,750

-:

Not only.

:

00:44:15,331 --> 00:44:16,351

-:

all you have to do is end the

:

00:44:16,351 --> 00:44:19,951

movie with, and now we need you

guys to be doing something else.

:

00:44:20,401 --> 00:44:20,761

You know?

:

00:44:20,761 --> 00:44:28,981

It's like how, like, if, uh, if you

know your World War II people fighting

:

00:44:28,981 --> 00:44:30,391

in the Pacific actually mattered.

:

00:44:30,511 --> 00:44:32,551

They would've be here in my D-Day movie.

:

00:44:32,551 --> 00:44:36,031

And it's like, no, there's different

people doing different shit.

:

00:44:36,061 --> 00:44:37,321

It's a war.

:

00:44:37,565 --> 00:44:39,365

-:

know what the best example of that is

:

00:44:39,481 --> 00:44:39,661

-:

Hmm.

:

00:44:39,785 --> 00:44:42,215

-:

in Universe Fucking Rebels.

:

00:44:44,105 --> 00:44:49,325

The last episode of Rebels

Like Ends before a New Hope,

:

00:44:49,441 --> 00:44:49,681

-:

Mm-hmm.

:

00:44:49,715 --> 00:44:50,135

-:

right?

:

00:44:50,285 --> 00:44:51,665

Or around a new hope, I think.

:

00:44:52,265 --> 00:44:57,515

And then skips to the end

of Return of the Jedi.

:

00:44:59,165 --> 00:45:02,135

Just like, and these characters

were here the entire time.

:

00:45:02,135 --> 00:45:06,365

We just didn't see them because we

were focused on the fucking Lukes

:

00:45:06,365 --> 00:45:08,075

and Hans and Leis of the world.

:

00:45:08,255 --> 00:45:13,565

And you just missed Zeb being in the

Rebel Alliance that whole fucking time.

:

00:45:13,696 --> 00:45:14,116

-:

Right.

:

00:45:15,395 --> 00:45:16,265

-:

'cause of course you did.

:

00:45:17,225 --> 00:45:19,295

Uh, it's, it's so obvious.

:

00:45:19,366 --> 00:45:20,146

-:

couldn't have mattered.

:

00:45:20,146 --> 00:45:24,106

He wasn't in Band of Brothers and it's

like, no, he was doing different shit.

:

00:45:27,485 --> 00:45:29,405

-:

Uh, I need to re-watch Band of Brothers.

:

00:45:29,806 --> 00:45:30,886

-:

band of Brothers is so good.

:

00:45:31,216 --> 00:45:35,176

Uh, I mean that's part of why

I wanted to watch Billions.

:

00:45:35,176 --> 00:45:36,526

'cause I love Damien Lewis.

:

00:45:37,145 --> 00:45:37,505

-:

:

00:45:40,126 --> 00:45:42,196

-:

did not expect billions to be what

:

00:45:42,196 --> 00:45:44,506

Billions is, but, uh, that's okay.

:

00:45:46,595 --> 00:45:46,925

-:

:

00:45:49,145 --> 00:45:49,535

yeah.

:

00:45:49,805 --> 00:45:55,085

Um, it's been a bit of a

surprise, but it is what it is.

:

00:45:55,295 --> 00:46:00,305

Um, all right, well, I have more

quizzes if we wanna do another quiz.

:

00:46:00,481 --> 00:46:01,171

-:

more quiz.

:

00:46:01,805 --> 00:46:02,105

-:

:

00:46:02,105 --> 00:46:05,765

I've got Billions SG one

and the Expanse queued up.

:

00:46:05,765 --> 00:46:06,830

What do you want to take the quiz for?

:

00:46:07,051 --> 00:46:08,071

-:

Let's do SG one.

:

00:46:09,185 --> 00:46:09,635

-:

:

00:46:09,635 --> 00:46:15,485

I hope that this isn't a forever quiz

because I pulled up like three of them and

:

00:46:15,485 --> 00:46:18,125

they were all like 80 fucking questions.

:

00:46:18,361 --> 00:46:18,781

-:

yeah.

:

00:46:19,355 --> 00:46:20,435

-:

So let's see here.

:

00:46:20,825 --> 00:46:25,745

All right, question one a mission

conflicts with personal beliefs.

:

00:46:25,745 --> 00:46:27,510

Do you follow orders or stand your ground?

:

00:46:30,125 --> 00:46:32,405

A, I'm the captain of my soul.

:

00:46:32,435 --> 00:46:38,285

Sorry, orders B, let's pivot to

a win-win situation that doesn't.

:

00:46:39,005 --> 00:46:41,135

This is a terrible fucking quiz.

:

00:46:41,316 --> 00:46:41,806

-:

Yes.

:

00:46:41,926 --> 00:46:46,336

This feels like I'm taking an,

uh, an HR personality profile.

:

00:46:47,225 --> 00:46:48,275

-:

Fuck this quiz.

:

00:46:48,545 --> 00:46:49,715

Let's do billions.

:

00:46:49,846 --> 00:46:50,296

-:

Okay.

:

00:46:51,166 --> 00:46:52,786

I hope this doesn't have any spoilers,

:

00:46:53,555 --> 00:46:55,445

-:

that's the thing is a lot of the times

:

00:46:55,445 --> 00:46:58,775

with these quizzes, the spoilers are like.

:

00:46:59,870 --> 00:47:04,160

Referencing things that happen in the

show to like, so when you take the

:

00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,810

quiz, you're like, oh, well I know that

this character does this thing right?

:

00:47:09,020 --> 00:47:10,820

And you can kind of guide your answers.

:

00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,200

We don't know what the characters, so it,

we wouldn't know a spoiler if it hit us.

:

00:47:15,286 --> 00:47:17,146

-:

I recognize like half the

:

00:47:17,146 --> 00:47:18,436

characters in this picture.

:

00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:20,810

-:

Oh wow.

:

00:47:20,990 --> 00:47:21,470

Yeah.

:

00:47:21,555 --> 00:47:21,775

Um,

:

00:47:22,231 --> 00:47:23,161

-:

That might be a spoiler.

:

00:47:23,161 --> 00:47:23,221

Um,

:

00:47:25,365 --> 00:47:27,110

-:

there's a decent chunk

:

00:47:27,110 --> 00:47:29,300

of them that I recognize.

:

00:47:29,570 --> 00:47:31,250

It's a very dense cast.

:

00:47:32,090 --> 00:47:35,360

There's like three, four,

I don't recognize in here.

:

00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:42,050

Alright, one, uh, how do you

approach decision making through

:

00:47:42,620 --> 00:47:44,690

analysis, intuition and gut feelings?

:

00:47:44,690 --> 00:47:46,370

I can consult with trusted advisors.

:

00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:49,910

I consider the impact on

my personal relationships.

:

00:47:51,140 --> 00:47:52,850

I am an analysis guy by trade.

:

00:47:54,216 --> 00:47:54,436

-:

uh,

:

00:48:00,806 --> 00:48:02,446

I consult with trusted advisors.

:

00:48:06,260 --> 00:48:07,640

-:

I mean, I do a little bit of all of

:

00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,320

these things, but we have to pick one.

:

00:48:10,910 --> 00:48:11,420

Alright.

:

00:48:11,450 --> 00:48:14,690

Describe your leadership

style, visionary and inspiring.

:

00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:16,850

Pragmatic and results oriented.

:

00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:21,111

Empathetic and supportive or

decisive and authoritative of,

:

00:48:21,936 --> 00:48:24,016

-:

None of these answers is divvy out

:

00:48:24,016 --> 00:48:25,616

the work and then go poop for an hour.

:

00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:28,100

-:

I would say pragmatic and results

:

00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:31,430

oriented is divvy the work

and go poop for half an hour.

:

00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:31,730

Ben?

:

00:48:36,830 --> 00:48:41,840

Uh, I'm gonna go with, uh,

supportive for myself based on

:

00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,560

evidence of things that people have

told me who used to work for me

:

00:48:48,086 --> 00:48:48,306

-:

Um,

:

00:48:48,350 --> 00:48:48,950

-:

that aren't you.

:

00:48:49,466 --> 00:48:50,236

-:

I'll, I'll go with

:

00:48:50,436 --> 00:48:51,276

empathetic and supportive

:

00:48:54,005 --> 00:48:54,185

-:

:

00:48:54,875 --> 00:48:56,105

How do you handle conflicts,

:

00:48:56,216 --> 00:48:56,636

-:

poorly.

:

00:48:57,056 --> 00:48:57,276

Um,

:

00:48:58,115 --> 00:48:59,645

-:

strategize and outmaneuver?

:

00:49:00,695 --> 00:49:03,515

Direct confrontation and

assert your position.

:

00:49:04,145 --> 00:49:08,165

Mediate and seek compromise

or avoid and deescalate.

:

00:49:08,666 --> 00:49:09,746

-:

I avoid and deescalate.

:

00:49:10,805 --> 00:49:14,645

-:

Yeah, I tend to be a bit more strategic.

:

00:49:16,745 --> 00:49:19,745

Uh, what best describes

your level for ambition?

:

00:49:20,225 --> 00:49:25,295

A level of ambition, insatiable

drive for success, motivated by

:

00:49:25,295 --> 00:49:29,945

personal fulfillment, aim for

professional recognition, value,

:

00:49:29,945 --> 00:49:32,195

a balanced and fulfilling life.

:

00:49:35,256 --> 00:49:37,136

-:

I am motivated by personal fulfillment.

:

00:49:38,105 --> 00:49:40,385

-:

Yeah, that's very true.

:

00:49:40,895 --> 00:49:46,385

Um, I can't say professional recognition

because I couldn't even talk about

:

00:49:46,385 --> 00:49:49,115

a professional thing that I'd done

earlier in this fucking episode.

:

00:49:49,115 --> 00:49:49,175

I.

:

00:49:49,386 --> 00:49:49,546

-:

true.

:

00:49:50,420 --> 00:49:51,260

-:

So I'm gonna go with

:

00:49:51,260 --> 00:49:53,060

balanced and fulfilling life.

:

00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,980

What is your ethical standpoint?

:

00:49:58,340 --> 00:50:01,760

And do whatever it takes to win, try

and maintain a strong moral code.

:

00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,600

I believe the ends justify

the means I value integrity.

:

00:50:05,780 --> 00:50:06,860

Above all,

:

00:50:07,636 --> 00:50:08,626

-:

Seeing as I believe that

:

00:50:08,626 --> 00:50:10,516

the means justify the ends.

:

00:50:11,686 --> 00:50:15,826

I don't know which one is the more

ethical of I value integrity or I

:

00:50:15,826 --> 00:50:17,836

try to maintain a strong moral code.

:

00:50:18,196 --> 00:50:18,826

Um,

:

00:50:19,505 --> 00:50:21,650

-:

am gonna say probably integrity.

:

00:50:21,676 --> 00:50:23,356

-:

go, I value integrity above all.

:

00:50:24,020 --> 00:50:24,800

-:

:

00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:31,220

Um, man, I've definitely dipped

my toes and ends justified

:

00:50:31,220 --> 00:50:32,990

the means a number of times.

:

00:50:33,530 --> 00:50:37,340

I'm also the guy professionally who

I feel like is made of career out of

:

00:50:37,340 --> 00:50:39,530

asking for forgiveness, not permission.

:

00:50:40,310 --> 00:50:46,490

Uh, so I'm gonna go that route and know

that I tempered a bit more than that

:

00:50:46,490 --> 00:50:49,070

statement actually seems like it says.

:

00:50:50,330 --> 00:50:52,610

Uh, how do you approach negotiation?

:

00:50:53,210 --> 00:50:56,420

Aim for an easy, win-win,

relentless and uncompromising.

:

00:50:56,810 --> 00:51:00,470

I use psychological tactics

to gain an edge, or I focus on

:

00:51:00,470 --> 00:51:02,960

building long-term relationships.

:

00:51:04,550 --> 00:51:07,610

I'm definitely a long-term

relationships kind of guy.

:

00:51:08,746 --> 00:51:10,756

-:

I try to focus on easy win-wins,

:

00:51:10,936 --> 00:51:14,901

like, Hey, how do we both

get what we want out of this?

:

00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,240

-:

I tend to be a lot like, Hey,

:

00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:20,780

remember that time that we, we

interacted and this thing happened?

:

00:51:21,590 --> 00:51:24,770

Let's, let's, let's learn

from that kind of a guy.

:

00:51:25,010 --> 00:51:27,945

Um, let's see here.

:

00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,960

How do you react under pressure?

:

00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,760

I thrive and perform my best.

:

00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,320

I remain calm and composed.

:

00:51:33,590 --> 00:51:37,580

I seek support from my team, or I

need to take a minute to regroup.

:

00:51:39,860 --> 00:51:42,680

I, uh, I do well under pressure.

:

00:51:46,841 --> 00:51:48,861

-:

Are you going thrive or remain calm?

:

00:51:49,835 --> 00:51:51,155

-:

Uh, I'm gonna say thrive.

:

00:51:51,185 --> 00:51:54,515

I feel like I've gotten some of

my best work done on a deadline.

:

00:51:55,936 --> 00:51:56,386

-:

I am gonna go.

:

00:51:56,386 --> 00:51:57,226

I remain calm.

:

00:51:58,745 --> 00:51:59,195

-:

All right.

:

00:51:59,315 --> 00:52:01,385

Uh, describe your social interactions.

:

00:52:02,105 --> 00:52:03,360

Matic, and enjoy networking.

:

00:52:03,965 --> 00:52:06,425

I prefer meaningful

one-on-one conversations.

:

00:52:06,485 --> 00:52:10,595

I'm reserved, but approachable or

I am direct and sometimes blunt.

:

00:52:12,001 --> 00:52:12,921

-:

I prefer meaningful

:

00:52:12,921 --> 00:52:14,416

one-on-one conversations.

:

00:52:15,005 --> 00:52:17,615

-:

I also prefer meaningful one-on-one

:

00:52:17,615 --> 00:52:21,245

conversations, but I've also had

to been taught, had been talked

:

00:52:21,245 --> 00:52:25,625

to by numerous people in my life

about maybe taking it back a bit.

:

00:52:25,865 --> 00:52:29,255

So I feel like I'm required

to hit direct and blunt.

:

00:52:29,945 --> 00:52:32,705

Uh, I have learned a lot,

but maybe that's more.

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Younger me, but we're gonna go for

it, for this quiz, if only, so that

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I've got a different answer than you.

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How do you manage work life balance?

:

00:52:41,420 --> 00:52:43,370

That's a stupid question

for anyone on this show.

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Uh, my work is my life.

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00:52:45,410 --> 00:52:47,330

I prioritize time with loved ones.

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00:52:47,570 --> 00:52:50,510

I set strict brown boundaries

between work and personal, or

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00:52:50,510 --> 00:52:51,650

I struggle to find a balance.

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00:52:51,650 --> 00:52:52,010

Once

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00:52:52,696 --> 00:52:54,286

-:

I prioritize find, uh,

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00:52:54,286 --> 00:52:55,366

time with loved ones.

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00:52:55,790 --> 00:52:58,430

-:

you do, I am real boundaries between

:

00:52:58,430 --> 00:52:59,930

work and personal life kind and guy.

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00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,530

Finally, what motivates you the most?

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00:53:03,830 --> 00:53:07,160

Financial success and power prefer

professional growth and treatment.

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00:53:07,490 --> 00:53:12,080

Making a positive impact on others or

personal fulfillment and happiness.

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I am motivated most by making a

positive impact on other people.

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I, I, I have look at net happiness.

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Net utility in a lot of things.

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I am positive in impact, even if it's

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at the like expense of my own happiness.

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Like

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-:

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would rather make somebody

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else happy than be happy.

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I've talked to my therapist about that.

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All right.

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I got my answer.

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Mine's loading.

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00:53:45,140 --> 00:53:47,090

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Uh, I got Wendy Rhodes.

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00:53:47,266 --> 00:53:47,896

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too.

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00:53:49,610 --> 00:53:50,960

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Too many of the same answers, Ben.

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Yeah, I know.

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We're peas of a pod.

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All right, well, we've been

at this for a minute, so

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before we go, I'm gonna do

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turnabout of my questions for you.

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Uh, I am just curious, out of

the, the shows we've watched, is

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there any character that sticks

out to you that you're like, man,

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I wish I knew more about them.

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00:54:21,826 --> 00:54:23,296

Got to spend more time with them.

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Like I think about this character.

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Oh, Amos on the expanse.

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A hundred percent.

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Very easy answer.

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Uh, I think Amos is a super interesting

character, um, that we didn't

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get to spend a lot of time with.

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Um, I feel a lot of like,

especially watching Battlestar

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over on, who are you right now?

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00:54:48,335 --> 00:54:54,635

Um, a lot of like Tyrell in Amos as well,

and Tyro's one of my favorite characters

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00:54:54,635 --> 00:54:58,745

over on BSG, um, most of the time.

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00:54:59,375 --> 00:55:03,755

Uh, and so there's kinda like that like,

kind of like do what I feel that kinship

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there maybe, uh, you know, like way

lay some of that positive interaction

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that I have with Tyrell over to Amos.

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But mostly it's knowing how

Amos's story ends, him being the

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00:55:18,185 --> 00:55:19,925

dude that's left effectively.

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Um, I'm very interested at like

how that, like why that character

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was chosen for that role.

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Mm-hmm.

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Because it kind of makes sense,

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but I feel like I just need

to know a little bit more.

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Fair.

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00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:36,100

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How about you?

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I want like, and this might

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just be, I find the actor.

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00:55:41,431 --> 00:55:42,781

Just incredibly charming.

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00:55:43,350 --> 00:55:43,770

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Mm-hmm.

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00:55:44,011 --> 00:55:48,151

-:

I like lovable rogues, which is

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00:55:48,270 --> 00:55:48,490

-:

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like I love Briscoe County Junior so much.

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-:

:

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I am forever sad.

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I was not able to watch those episodes

and talk about it with you guys.

:

00:56:01,981 --> 00:56:04,651

like I can watch the show,

but I missed being at like,

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00:56:04,930 --> 00:56:05,220

-:

:

00:56:05,311 --> 00:56:06,721

-:

like talking to you guys about

:

00:56:06,721 --> 00:56:08,431

how cool Lord Bowler is and stuff.

:

00:56:08,701 --> 00:56:14,371

Um, and so when it comes to

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00:56:14,780 --> 00:56:15,200

-:

Mm-hmm.

:

00:56:15,421 --> 00:56:16,681

-:

we've watched that have had a

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00:56:16,681 --> 00:56:23,161

lovable rogue, I think that none

are more so than Nick Frost baggy.

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00:56:24,180 --> 00:56:24,470

-:

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00:56:25,021 --> 00:56:26,581

-:

I, I would love just to know more

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00:56:26,581 --> 00:56:31,771

about this weird British guy in the

middle of post-apocalyptic nightmare.

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00:56:35,150 --> 00:56:35,840

-:

That's fair.

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00:56:37,730 --> 00:56:39,230

Alright, well we did it Ben.

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We got an episode in.

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00:56:40,561 --> 00:56:41,431

-:

We did.

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00:56:42,260 --> 00:56:42,830

-:

Alright.

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00:56:42,890 --> 00:56:45,230

Uh, we should probably

say some thank yous.

:

00:56:45,710 --> 00:56:49,820

Uh, and I'm gonna start with

thinking Victor, uh, who's

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00:56:49,820 --> 00:56:51,320

probably listening to this one.

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00:56:51,451 --> 00:56:51,661

-:

so.

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00:56:52,220 --> 00:56:53,660

-:

Uh, I mean, whatever.

:

00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:55,940

Uh, it's his time, you

know, he's moving and stuff.

:

00:56:56,011 --> 00:56:57,271

-:

packing or

:

00:56:57,290 --> 00:56:58,970

-:

Well, he should be done packing by now.

:

00:56:58,970 --> 00:57:03,350

Dear fucking Christ, Victor, I

hope you're done packing by now.

:

00:57:03,770 --> 00:57:11,810

Uh, you know, uh, I don't know that

this gets said a lot on pod, but I

:

00:57:11,810 --> 00:57:13,820

really appreciate having you along.

:

00:57:13,820 --> 00:57:16,880

Not that I don't mind hanging

out with Ben without you, uh,

:

00:57:16,910 --> 00:57:18,140

because you know, we do that a lot.

:

00:57:19,070 --> 00:57:23,030

Uh, but it feels a little different

today with just Ben and I.

:

00:57:23,870 --> 00:57:27,200

It's not a bad thing,

but it's worth noting.

:

00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:31,280

And so I just want to thank you, Victor,

for everything you bring to the podcast.

:

00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:38,300

You're a true bud, uh, a great

friend and a, uh, a presence that

:

00:57:38,300 --> 00:57:42,860

is notable in its missing right now.

:

00:57:42,980 --> 00:57:45,440

So thanks for doing this with us.

:

00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,710

It's been a blast for

having you on for the year.

:

00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:50,570

Some, you've been on the podcast now

:

00:57:51,296 --> 00:57:51,586

-:

it's

:

00:57:51,740 --> 00:57:52,040

-:

:

00:57:52,216 --> 00:57:53,466

-:

most of the run so far.

:

00:57:54,020 --> 00:57:56,900

-:

your little, your little pod education,

:

00:57:56,900 --> 00:58:00,560

your, your pod school or whatever your

pod apprenticeship, uh, has turned

:

00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:05,060

into a full, full-blown friendship that

I appreciate in my day-to-day life.

:

00:58:05,060 --> 00:58:05,870

So thanks, Vic.

:

00:58:06,061 --> 00:58:08,341

-:

Yeah, you were like, Hey, I'll

:

00:58:08,341 --> 00:58:11,611

just like come and hang out

and watch SG one with you guys.

:

00:58:11,611 --> 00:58:12,066

I was like, ha

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00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:12,230

-:

Mm-hmm.

:

00:58:12,421 --> 00:58:13,111

-:

you're trapped.

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00:58:13,550 --> 00:58:14,570

-:

Gotcha, bitch.

:

00:58:16,891 --> 00:58:18,271

-:

You ain't going nowhere.

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00:58:18,511 --> 00:58:19,111

Uh, no.

:

00:58:19,111 --> 00:58:19,411

Yeah.

:

00:58:19,831 --> 00:58:21,031

Love you Vic, man, like

:

00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:21,440

-:

:

00:58:21,511 --> 00:58:22,981

-:

have become an integral part

:

00:58:22,981 --> 00:58:26,461

of our little pod family here

and I really appreciate that.

:

00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:27,875

-:

A hundred percent.

:

00:58:27,991 --> 00:58:30,301

-:

in a similar vein, want to say

:

00:58:30,301 --> 00:58:33,241

thank you over to the cool girls

:

00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:34,090

-:

Mm-hmm.

:

00:58:34,951 --> 00:58:38,581

-:

uh, spun a April Fool's Day

:

00:58:38,581 --> 00:58:43,621

episode off into something I am

excited to listen to every week.

:

00:58:44,071 --> 00:58:44,641

Uh,

:

00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:45,170

-:

:

00:58:45,781 --> 00:58:45,991

-:

it's,

:

00:58:46,115 --> 00:58:46,325

-:

great pod.

:

00:58:46,591 --> 00:58:50,641

-:

and also like, I love it because

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00:58:50,881 --> 00:58:56,311

when Glow is recording with them,

I hear like the yelling and the

:

00:58:56,311 --> 00:59:00,481

screaming and the laughter and I'm

like, that's gonna be a good episode.

:

00:59:02,315 --> 00:59:04,565

-:

It's, it's interesting because I also,

:

00:59:04,565 --> 00:59:10,295

you know, I hear, I hear Beth, you know,

record and then listening to that episode

:

00:59:10,625 --> 00:59:13,775

weeks or months later, depending on

when that happened in that recording.

:

00:59:14,255 --> 00:59:15,515

Um, it's interesting.

:

00:59:15,515 --> 00:59:16,295

It's a lot of fun.

:

00:59:16,625 --> 00:59:21,755

It's weird to be in a pair of social

hang, uh, with people that I have

:

00:59:21,905 --> 00:59:24,065

very normal social relationships with.

:

00:59:26,105 --> 00:59:27,335

Uh, but I appreciates it.

:

00:59:27,365 --> 00:59:27,845

Um.

:

00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:33,800

In a lot of ways, uh, it reminds me

of the feelings that our friend Kelly

:

00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:38,300

would experience and talk about with us

when listening to draft the universe,

:

00:59:38,450 --> 00:59:44,030

being a friend of ours who lived hours

away and wasn't able to have those

:

00:59:44,030 --> 00:59:48,740

regular hangs and would describe hanging

out with us via draft the universe.

:

00:59:48,740 --> 00:59:55,010

So I, I, I understand those feelings

now through that, through that podcast.

:

00:59:55,336 --> 00:59:56,416

-:

a week, which is great.

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00:59:56,506 --> 00:59:56,926

As the

:

00:59:57,020 --> 00:59:57,200

-:

:

00:59:57,226 --> 00:59:58,781

-:

who doesn't get to record a show with her.

:

00:59:59,201 --> 00:59:59,421

Uh.

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01:00:00,950 --> 01:00:01,550

-:

Uh, yeah.

:

01:00:01,550 --> 01:00:04,370

You can talk to her about to a third pod.

:

01:00:04,370 --> 01:00:05,090

It's a lot.

:

01:00:05,390 --> 01:00:05,690

Yeah.

:

01:00:06,541 --> 01:00:07,861

-:

but uh, yeah, I'm not gonna be like,

:

01:00:07,861 --> 01:00:10,681

Hey Laura, in the middle of all this,

want to add another podcast just so

:

01:00:10,681 --> 01:00:11,941

I get an excuse to talk to you more.

:

01:00:12,151 --> 01:00:16,681

Uh, it's not like you're getting

a doctorate and have babies

:

01:00:16,681 --> 01:00:18,841

and stuff like you're busy.

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01:00:20,465 --> 01:00:20,685

-:

:

01:00:21,091 --> 01:00:21,511

-:

Yes.

:

01:00:24,421 --> 01:00:24,961

Uh,

:

01:00:25,310 --> 01:00:26,570

-:

Shout out to cool girls.

:

01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,080

Uh, really appreciate that

part of our pod fam as well.

:

01:00:30,331 --> 01:00:31,591

-:

And shout out to Ripe

:

01:00:32,330 --> 01:00:32,840

-:

Hell yeah.

:

01:00:33,211 --> 01:00:33,601

-:

we got

:

01:00:33,620 --> 01:00:35,660

-:

Our drinking buddies ripe

:

01:00:36,991 --> 01:00:38,701

-:

That is still blows my mind.

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01:00:39,045 --> 01:00:39,365

-:

is crazy.

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01:00:39,871 --> 01:00:40,261

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yeah.

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01:00:40,261 --> 01:00:42,421

If you ever get a chance

to see Ripe, go do it.

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01:00:42,421 --> 01:00:42,631

If

:

01:00:42,755 --> 01:00:43,175

-:

Mm-hmm.

:

01:00:43,231 --> 01:00:44,521

-:

just stream some of their music.

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-:

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-:

got a really cool bright

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blues baseball tee.

:

01:00:48,691 --> 01:00:51,511

Uh, I've got a really cool tie-dye shirt.

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Like, get some merch.

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-:

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01:00:53,210 --> 01:00:53,960

Get some merch.

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I,

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-:

us use your song Goon Squad.

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Uh.

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And, uh, yes.

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Check out their tours.

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01:01:02,101 --> 01:01:02,821

Check out their merch.

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01:01:03,890 --> 01:01:04,250

-:

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01:01:04,310 --> 01:01:07,220

Uh, shout out the, what

happened, her discord.

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01:01:07,700 --> 01:01:10,640

Uh, go ahead and leave

us five star reviews.

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We appreciate the hell out of that.

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And, uh, we'll see you next time.

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Who's Got Time For All This Prestige TV?
Who has time for all this prestige television these days? Not us! That's why Ben, Victor, and Xhafer are going through "must watch" TV by skipping a random number of episodes in-between each viewing and connecting the dots on what happened. What happened Last Time On? What happen hurr?

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